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the sign makes a pretty good point
Hey, you could be agnostic. Basically that just means that you can believe in god when science fails in their endeavors to dis-prove god.
There is a common misconception that agnosticism lies somewhere between theism and atheism.
In truth, they are not comparable terms. Theism, and atheism, are about belief. Gnosticism, and agnosticism, are about knowledge.
Agnosticism is essentially just saying "we do not (or can not) know". However, that has no bearing over whether one actively believes in a deity.
For example, one could say, "I believe in a god, but don't think we can truly prove his/her existence", and you'd be an agnostic theist. On the opposite side, "I don't believe in a god, but don't think we can truly prove they don't exist" is an agnostic atheist.
There are, of course, the much less reasonable viewpoints on both ends, as well: "There is definitely a god," "there definitely is no god". Those would be gnostic theist, and gnostic atheist, views.
Cheers,
An atheist
Far out man!
Anon, I'm sorry, but you pulled that one out of your ass.
Agnosticism is as much an arbitrary claim as any other, because it is saying we CANNOT know specifically about the existence of a deity.
It presumes the KNOWLEDGE that we KNOW further knowledge is unattainable. I'll assume you can see how arbitrary that really is.
Then again, you're an atheist, as I am too. It's atheism who really gets the misconception of being a belief. It does not take any belief to NOT THINK that George Orwell and David Blaine is the same person. But when someone asserts that George Orwell and David Blaine as the same person, and we say "yeah... I really don't think you're right" they say that we are making a positive claim, which we aren't.
Simply put, are we all Santa Atheists? Or the fact that Santa Claus doesn't exist makes it perfectly reason to NOT BELIEVE he exists?
That last post is correct. Atheism is not the one making the claim so there is no belief involved. Any beliefs of the non-existence of god(s) or whatever is of the individual and not their atheism, you could call them anti-theist.
Thats where people get it wrong, you can believe in god and still not conform to any religion.
Tyler that is what they call deism.
Technically, Deism is a religion in and of itself, started about two hundred years ago. It's since broken into many different branches.
For good fun, check out solipsism.
Look, nobody really knows where all this shit came from. But I think I'd rather trust the dudes in labcoats who are actually trying to shed some light on the answer, rather than someone who simply believes they do not, and never will, know the answer just because they were told that as a child.
okay then wut is it called when someone doesnt believe in any higher power but still appreciates the morals and ideas of living life to the fullest that somes with some religions???
Yoyo+4,
As far as the morals are concerned I believe that would be humanist.
and in "Living life to the fullest" what religions are you referring to?
It seems it would be much easier to Live life to the fullest unencumbered by the rules of any religion.
Thank God I'm an atheist!!
Atheists believe that there is no god, that is the extent of the meaning. It does not imply that they attempt to impose their beliefs on others which would anti-theism as Anon said.
An agnostics believes that there is a higher power but that they do not necessarily believe it is what current religions tell us they are, such as Christianity and Islam.
"Atheists believe that there is no god, that is the extent of the meaning."
FAIL. Read above posts. Atheists don't necessarily believe there is no god, Atheists reject the claim that one exists. BIG difference.
"An agnostics believes that there is a higher power but.."
FAIL, Agnostics only believe there is a possibility for a god, thus agnostics are to a point, also Atheists. They also reject the claims but still believe one might exist.
what would you call someone who simply doesn't care if there is or isn't a higher power since it really doesn't affect them in anyway?
could you lot keep the noise down
Oh right, and all this stuff just came from nowhere. Good idea people...
Bob is not wrong.
Atheist: "There is no god"
Agnosticist: "It might or might not be there, I'm not sure"
I meant "Agnostic" up there :o
yes all this stuff came from nowhere... if not, where did god come from?
Sorry God,
I thought I had the power to understand the all. I will go attempt to teach my dog physics now and I will shut up.
all of the confusion regarding 'atheism', 'agnosticism', etc can easily be resolved by navigating to a dictionary website.
Agnosticism means being content to say "I don't know!" when it comes to supernatural entities--we can't know until we die so we don't even waste time thinking about it! And we certainly don't go on crusades killing millions of people over the issue!
Furthermore, science does not support atheism. Science has always had a philosophical barrier in front of it--it has simply pushed that barrier back over the generations. Today our philosophical barrier lies beyond Plank time and before the Big Bang. Guys in lab coats have no clue what happened then, and neither does anybody else!
Lulz, you are wrong, as is Bob.
"An agnostics believes that there is a higher power but that they do not necessarily believe it is what current religions tell us they are, such as Christianity and Islam."
This is wrong. As an agnostic, I can certainly say that this is utterly WRONG. You defending this position as correct also makes you wrong.
Agnosticism is based around the lack of knowledge regarding the existence/nonexistence of a deity. It is based around the idea of "we do not know" or "we cannot know," depending on your individual agnostic. We do not necessarily believe in a deity, nor do we necessarily disbelieve in a deity. For example, I choose to suspend both my belief and my disbelief, because I cannot presume to know one way or another.
Philosophy FAIL.
don't make me come down there !
silly peoples! takes more faith to believe in nonsense than creationism
Re: Santa Atheism
What is the BASIS of your rejection? Please tell us how confident that Santa doesn't exist. Are you 100% sure? Or only 99.99999% sure a Santa or Santa-like being exists? If you say 100%, then you yourself are either approaching god-hood yourself, a liar, or your rejection involves belief.
Agnosticism accepts the limitation of human knowledge about our condition. When we say "Orwell and Blaine aren't the same person", it's just short hand for a MUCH more complex assertion. Namely, "given present evidence, the two human animals Orwell and Blaine do not appear to be the same animal based upon the knowledge and experience I have". Just because most people AGREE with you doesn't in fact make it true, just a consensus. Please don't hide behind language and shoddy arguments.
An Agnostic.
Sigh. Arguing about this subject degrades everyone. No one ever discusses the whole spectrum of ideas between all of this. Always polarizing things down to two sides. Division. Duality. Conflict. The reality of it is far too complex to actually come to anything resembling a conclusion thru the use of language. How about this:
This is a dead debate. No one is right. Let's fuck, eat, sleep, expel waste, laugh, cry... repeat. The end. If there is/was/will be a "god" This is how he is/was/will be made. Zen.
ya ok - you are right, it takes delusion
"Hey, you could be agnostic. Basically that just means that you can believe in god when science fails in their endeavors to dis-prove god."
Am I the only one who thinks that's backwards? It would seem more logical to me to believe in something after it's been proven rather believe in something until is has been disproven. Only the personally offended and challenged theistic / deistic people actually believe science is involved in such endeavors. Our mere interest may be for personal gain but disproving God is like disproving the Lochness Monster. It only takes a rational mind to go from point A to point B. How many years must we spend searching before everyone believes that Nessy doesn't exist? Maybe more people would believe in Nessy if people were killing in her name?
In my opinion, Agnosticism is just being lazy.
And I get baffled, OFTEN on where everything came from. Know why? I'm not a STUPID Christian. Yes, I have read the bible, yes I believe Jesus died and was resurrected for my sins. However, I also have the where with all to accept scientific theories that I believe, are almost beyond doubt. I mean, feel free to tell me that that's not being a christian, but I never read in the bible where God or Jesus told me to neglect the ideas of other. I read 'cast out wicked men', but I never read 'turn eyes away from the thought of knowledge'. Someone tell me what I am now, since everyone seems to have an opinion they'd like the voice.
its a nice poster
why must people begin pointless discussions
simply apreciate some humor christian or atheist
The idea that if you disprove any religious belief disproves the existence of a creator or a creative force or a god, if you wish, is a fallacy that most atheist fall into. God can exist separate from all religions. Mater of fact the existence of a god in itself disproves all religion because if there was a god he would know that any form of religion dedicated to worship him would only cause discord.Once one group establishes a religion others not wanting to feel inferior would establish their own religion. All religions can't be right so therefore they all must be wrong. Religion is merely runaway ego in that a believer can feel superior to a non believer. I know more about god than you do I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG! Any fair minded individual should understand this and if they don't it is because they don't want to and have a unscrupulous need to lord over their fellowman
Man, are you guy's in for a rude awakening.
Silly. This is a very closed minded atheist. They're basing their atheism on Christianity.. and Dogmatic Christianity at that. If you really think science has progressed to a point to be able to prove or disprove God you have a bit too much faith in our progress. We have a very long way to go :)
I believe that we all need to live with a bit more wonder in our lives. Live in grace, whether you're Christian or not, and you'll live a very full and happy life.
When did science disprove God? I'm confused.
Anonymous: "when science fails in their endeavors to dis-prove god."
You can't prove something doesn't exist. You can only prove things that exist.
There is no god. Get over it. Think for yourself instead.
What do you get when you cross and insomniac, an agnostic and a dyslexic?
Someone who stays up ALL NIGHT wondering if there's a
DOG
What do you get when you cross an INSOMNIAC, an AGNOSTIC and a DYSLEXIC?
Someone who stays up all night wondering if there's a
DOG!
We all know religions are just stories based of the alignment of the sun.
maannn if you guyz jus inhale some of the smoke im givin off you'd guys all realize, 'who gives a fuck, ima just gonna keep on keepin on'
worked for curtis mayfield and the dudes in the book of exodus, try it out for urself
Thankfully Im an elitist which means that Im above all brainwashing I was hammered with in religious knowledge classes.
Maybe there is a God but not the ones preached about on Sundays for the Christians, Saturdays for Jews and Fridays for Muslims.
However for the time being I will wait for them all to sort out which one is wrong and get back to you.
Should I happen to die while its being sorted I will take my chances on where I end up after dying.
I am really surprised we still have the discussion. Lets get on with getting as much fun and joy as we can everyday. Take good care and spread some love.... but wait a minute whats that? Happiness... whats that? Lets stop pursuing stuff we dont know about and liiiiiive!
holy k-rap batman there are a lot of posts here...I didn't read them all so maybe this was said before but you do realize this is the internet right...I mean jesus I don't give a crap what you believe in the comments I did read were all arguing somantics anyway...so in conclusion all of you need to GET A LIFE...as I'm going to go back to now
I think most of us can agree that the kind of Christianity being ridiculed in this poster is deserving of ridicule. It's rather fashionable to be an atheist on the internet, especially since most religions are so easy to make fun of. But now many atheists are becoming just as predictable and tiresome as sunday morning church! I don't know what's funnier - backwards Christian or know-it-all Atheist.
I recommend Gnostic Asymmetrical Nihilism.
If a science dude cant explain it..why believe that a god did it :| ?it could be an alien :D
I make poop come out of my butt sometimes.
I am god, and I'm sick of all this nonsense. Actually, more atheists and agnostics please, less people to bother me with all those petty problems!!!
Christ, call Noah!
Oh and, guys. None of you seem to be Christian... Do you Atheists have to fight So much you have to argue amongst yourselves?
Stop trying to force you lack of belief on people, as much as you hate them doing it to us. Show some respect.
- Friendly Neighbourhood atheist
Ok, so there's some good comments in this thread but I want to add something of great importance in philosophy. Good philosophy is NOT about arguing over definitions. So there's a bunch of comments in this thread about the "correct" definition of terms like "agnosticism", "atheism", etc. If someone tells you they're an agnostic and then tells you a definition for "agnostic" they've told you their position as clearly as possible. We should do our best to focus on debating the merits of philosophical positions themselves, not squabbling over what to label them. Now, it's true that some standardization makes things clearer and professional philosophers are constantly trying to make language more precise so that they can express their views more precisely. That's one thing, but it's quite another for squabbling over definitions to become the focus of discussion. I would urge tolerance an flexibility in philosophical discussion when it comes to lexical idiosyncrasies. You can always say "Well, I hadn't used that term that way but I understand your view; here's what I think is good/bad about the view". This puts the focus back on the actual views under debate.
atheists will be forever materialized
King Mob is fantastically right.
For athiests who claim to have no belief in a deity or a lack of belief in a higher power and seem to give off the impression that they think we should just "leave it and live.." im surprised at the heated and clearly impassioned reactions of those who adhere to such terminology. Its gradually becoming more apparent to myself that it is those who profess no belief are the ones trying to make their vague assertions known as formidibly as possible when i thought i heard i should sit back and think for myself. Surely the same mutual respect and tolerance that is demanded from the theistic/monotheistic camps intead of religious elitism be returned from those in the athiest/agnostic circles.
no offense intended but if afflicted remember to think for yourself and youll be fine.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Has anyone seen my cars keys?
I am SICK of these motherfuckin' posts on this motherfuckin' page!
Why do people care so much if other people believe what they believe? These are all just opinions. And saying one opinion is right or wrong is still just an opinion. My whole post is an opinion and you shouldn't take it as anything more than that. Of course, that's just my opinion.
-Agnostic
Look, personal beliefs aside, I'm Catholic, arguing this is pointless. God is as empty a metaphysical concept as determinism, there can be no arguments for or against it because the only meaning it has is given by the believer/nonbeliever. No one can prove anything so stop getting all of your panties in a bundle because other people don't agree with what you think.
Why does it matter? Let everyone believe or not believe exactly what they do or don't believe. I have my beliefs, you all have yours. If we all live by those thoughts but don't try to force them on others, everyone will be the happier. Smile, appreciate the joke, and move on.
so why is "doesn't matter anyway" trying to force his/her views down my throat? People who claim these things are contradictory, just like the billions who say "oh c'mon fellas, all religions are the same. No one can claim to have the truth. Let's just all admit that and be tolerant!" That person is intolerant of religion and thinks his view of "all the same" is right and every one else is wrong. All religions are different, and while they might all be wrong, they can't all be right. to dismiss the subject in the name of "let everyone believe" is a total cop-out of being human. to be human is to delve into the matter and find out what is true, and what is false, and make a choice based on evidence. There is no blind faith. To not discuss it, to not debate it, to not argue about it, is foolish and inhuman. It does matter, unless you are a inebriated.
Being human isn't finding truth, it's deluding yourself into thinking that you've found a truth. We base everything on a quite possibly flawed perception of reality, so any truth we find is actually truth according to humans. So yes, you can argue that these arguments will lead to better understanding, which is what I think you're doing, but in the end it's still going to be incorrect because it's beyond human comprehension.
thanks for demonstrating my point. You really think what you just said is true.
you are making the claim "being human isn't finding truth" as if it is a great truth that you have discovered, and you are telling me, who you think does not have this truth. You contradict yourself
My feet smell.
And what about being nonchalant about things? i've never seen anyone being chalant. have you?
no one is going to get the answer they want. get the hell over it.
LMFAO love it.
...I JUST said I was a christian like...10 posts before yours. My words just got bombarded by atheists yelling at each other, creating no change nor proof because they're on the INTERNET. On a TROLL board. I mean, discussion and argument is fun, but...really? Guys?
Religion is like a piece of software you bought 7 years ago. You used to use it all the time to solve all your problems, but now it's just outdated and dumb. You would have forgotten about it a while ago if it didn't create an alert box every time you logged on telling you to update it. Religious people are files that still open in it by default even though there are much better programs on your computer.
any body wanna make a final fantasy 7 religion? I hear its already pretty close to being a legit church. however, I think god is bored. imagine waking up and knowing everything and being able to do anything throughout time. I certainly would not father the human race. I prolly destroy shit and level up. wait I couldn't im already level infinity.
Wow. Atheism is worshiping the devil. You're thinking of agnostic. Fail.
Oh well. This wasn't funny anyways to be quite honest.
why don't we just express it on a three dimensional graph?
I don't need to post my beliefs online to know that they work for me. I'm happy in my own lil world without any outside criticism...Neva know what you might find on stumble-upon. Thanks for the entertainment people! Good luck with the debate. Either way when I go I'll be in a better place. Wherever that may be...
Everyone has the right to believe what they choose. I choose to believe in a God who loves me. I choose to live my life with hope.
As a born again Heathen I would like to say party on my brother!
DINOSAUR!
Does the good of religion out weigh the bad? Even now there are wars solely based on religion, so what has it brought us other than yet another reason to kill thy neighbor? Another reason to fight, as if we don't have enough reasons without it.
so what does one do when he is in a situation which is totally out of his control.Is it not consoling to just believe there is a mighty being to which you can refer your troubles,hope he will be of help and thus at least relax for the time being and go off to sleep without a sedative. So being a theist does have its plusses.
I used to be an atheist at he time I was thinking about marrying an agnostic but we couldn't agree which religion not to raise the children in
What is magical, in our world? Nothing, at all!!! Sad as that might be, its the truth. There are no fairies, witches, werewolf, vampires, gnomes, or any other make believe anything. This its a perfect example, of why this arguments will never end, until every human being on earth, has taken all the facts into consideration. When this occurs, everyone will know because discussion like this won't be taking place!
There is no reason to arguing over this, simply because its an argument between FREE thinkers, and enslaved thinkers...
Religion has screwed the human race, in so many ways, its sad.. ;( Get off your invisible horse, forget the fairy tales, love people for who they are!
Lol, and forget about immortality, look how much chaos and harm, its already caused!
That's the point after all, human are so selfish, and egotistical, they cant believe we are not special, and never will be!!!
IF and its a super big IF, there is an afterlife, its a bonus, even the evil will get there's too!!!
All these fictional stories, were written by men, some slaves, most noble and in control, of everything! With a sole purpose, of controlling the weak! Putting huge fortunes, and to place women on the bottom of the hierarchy.
The skeptic,
Erica
P.S I am a non-believer, for one main reason! I love people, want to help them wherever i can. However its from my heart, not created from fear, or some ignorant belief that it will decide whether or not i am going to have a good or bad afterlife.
Its a scary FACT that death is the end, and i have always been deeply saddened with the death of a loved ones, however they live in my memory for as long as I shall live!!
Now stop worrying, and stop wishing for immortality. Just live your life and try to make a positive impact on the people around you!
Stfu humans. Ur arguments are invalid.
Everyone just lol at the goddamn picture and shut up.
This is SOOO Shopped.
I can't believe you retards still believe this shit. It's time... FOR YOU ALL TO KILL YOURSELVES.
god would be able to spell and would not need to abbreviate.
Ladies and gentlemen, you have just observed why agnosticism fails.
This agnostic has said:
"What is the BASIS of your rejection? Please tell us how confident that Santa doesn't exist. Are you 100% sure? Or only 99.99999% sure a Santa or Santa-like being exists? If you say 100%, then you yourself are either approaching god-hood yourself, a liar, or your rejection involves belief."
Which means he has effectively stated he would admit that Santa Claus might exist just as much as he might not.
However, unlike an atheist who would say "sure, Santa might exist and shit, but I'm not going to believe in him because that's stupid"
And agnostic like this takes his faulty logic to the ultimate conclusion and says "YOU CAN'T KNOW SANTA CAN'T EXIST!!
"Therefore I will believe that he might exist, and I will cover all range of possibilities by also believing he might be blue or red, or might be thin, or might be a woman, or might be made out of licorice, and all claims will be equally valid and I will consider all of them lest I be 'close minded' "
Human. Sleeps in on Sundays. Probably enjoys life a bit more than his religious counterparts, too (read: doesn't have to apologize for being human, therefore doesn't have to feel defective.)
Hey. Are those two giant boobs in the supernova?
duckman: Yes. Your feet smell. Pls wash.
Church of fudge any 1 lol
I can't belaive moronail could get this theological.
hey, I'm catholic and I had sex with lots girls, therefore proving you wrong, you sad atheists.
Tadaa!
I like pinapples.
God is like a pinapple
@Anonymous
Indeed, but its very funny to see everyone running around and arguing over what the hell happened about 4.5 billion + years ago.
See little people, these kinds of questions and arguments are what cause most of the most horrific wars/events in the human history.
I would rather die believing there is a God and then finding out he doesnt exist. Than die not beliving in him then to find out he does.
wow....go to fecking college ya'll....take a history course or - I don't know 5 - or even talk to your 7th grade siblings/kids/nieces/cousins/etc. about what these religions mean. You all fail not just basic 7th grade ancient history and basic college. Just laugh at the joke...move on...The end.
I worship grilled meat and beer, however, I do feel that this poster is friggin funny.
agree
I have my life jacket, and my bathing pantsies, that's what i call a good day!
I [b]believe[/b] that Santa Clause does not exist. Hence a belief.
I think the only ones who are asking any one to apologize for being human are the global warming folks.
Only a race as egotistical as us humans would think there is nothing greater in all the universe...
well i think should trust one of this dudes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldHF6PFUukw
u dont have to commite sins also so u dont need to apologise u are human
That was a f✡✞kin' long motivational image.
LOOK AT MY BALLS, GODDAMIT! LOOK!
Christianity doesn't "demand" you to go to church every Sunday. Plus there's even a 7PM mass.
When I used to go, I would wear my Nikes and a t-shirt. No one overdresses anymore.
"I'd rather trust the dudes in labcoats"
Good luck.
I find science to be offensive.
I'm just going to throw my two cents into this pool, because somebody might find it worthwhile. If not, whatever, because it's a troll thread anyway.
If you believe that Christianity is about getting up way too early in the morning, putting on your most formal and uncomfortable clothes and feeling guilty about being human, it is my opinion (based on my own spritual experience and studies) that you are missing the point.
To me, Christianity is about a promise and a challenge. The promise is one of absolutely unconditional love and acceptance; no matter what anyone else thinks of you and no matter how bad your life is, you are a worthwhile person and this too shall pass. The challenge is to take what wealth you have (in whatever form it make take such as material wealth or talents or such) and spread it around as much as you can, thereby making the lives of everyone around you better.
I think this is a worthy goal, quite aside from all of the politics and hate-mongering that has inevitably arisen from the imperfect systems given to us by organized religion as a whole.
And of course, this is only my opinion, and I not only accept but encourage your ability to formulate your own.
Yes, imaginary friends make people feel good inside. But it's still infantile.
Catholic - Christian. Hilarious tongue in cheek picture. Disappointingly contraversial trail of comments. Is this site just an offensive, Christian-hating atheist congregation or what? Not that I have anything against atheists because I see their various points. I've Read the God Delusion - Didn't work on me. Why? I suppose I've been indoctrinated too much XD. Jk. I suppose believing in a God is inevitable for me: it's called 'faith'. Aztecs, Scandanavians, Chinese and Christians all had religions before they met each other and had a chance to share culture. This surely makes it slightly valid that it's natural to believe in a God? I've seen a few arguments against this... none of which really work =S Dasher's point is picked upon by the God Delusion - Richard Dawkins. I'd explain but it'd be spoilers! XD Richard Dawkins' book is mostly uncited anyway... And don't bother arguing back! I'm never going to see this bloody thread again! Typical... it's the internet... Sophistication and modesty not required...
The truest thing that has been said is that god is like a pineapple.
Lab coats are good with vinegar.
@Vivaldi1000 You f✡✞king bastard! My book ALWAYS converts its reader to atheism! I will find you and suck your cock as punishment for your anthroblasphemy!!! Beware!
There's always a thumbs down button, go express yourself there.
You need some serious help! Too bad you don't believe in it...
All of you supposed Christians and Atheists, if you REALLY, TRULY believed what you believe, would you feel the need to insecurely lash out at the other party all the goddamn time? I think not. Okay, doctor, bring in the straightjackets.
beleiving in god = piss scared cocks that are f✡✞king terrified of death, suck it. P.S: We can do shit you can't without fear of damnation for all eternity. So, we win all :D
Back to the quote, though. Anyone know it's origin? It sounds very George Carlin-ish.
lol over half of the physicist population beleives in god...
check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXmxdIxyzFY
over 94% of scientists are atheists or agnosticists
Atheists know god is not real and agnostics dont know wheter or not,their baically undecided-you know those people that never go to church but if theres a crisis,they pray.
Prove to me that God is not real. Wait, you may say, if you can spare a brain cell from jerking off into your own mouth... it is a logical impossibility to prove the non-existence of anything! But I KNOW so much more than Christians! oh wait, I am just mentally masturbating.
Doesn't believe in atheism...
dont believe everything u think
The budrden of proof falls upon those that suggest something.
Its not up to anyone to disprove god, but it is left to all those that propose "its" existance to prove that it does exist.